First Rolls in FF, w00t w00t

just got back from flying my E-Smart, ran 5 packs through it and finally got up the balls to do a roll in FF, it was awesome, well the first one at least, the next few were really sloppy, mainly because I was still very scared to put it into a nose dive when doing the first part of the roll, so I end up rolling inverted but then would flip over instead of continuing the roll, I kept working on it be I was shaking like crazy so I didn't get too far with that training, but then I practiced so Tick-Tocks and its much easier to do on 22.2v then it is on 18.v, my next upgrade will be a better gyro, the telebee is holding fine but I feel I'm right at its limits now, really been putting my ES600 through its paces

Hopefully the vid comes out, I'm checking now.

Nuttcaze wrote:

I kept working on it be I was shaking like crazy

I cannot imagine, nor wonder about the thoughts going through your mind when you first try these manoeuvres. The buzz I get just from a simple, but successful hover is amazing, let alone achieving tricks. Well done Nuttcaze and hurry up with vid

Nuttcaze wrote:

just got back from flying my E-Smart, ran 5 packs through it and finally got up the balls to do a roll in FF, it was awesome, well the first one at least, the next few were really sloppy, mainly because I was still very scared to put it into a nose dive when doing the first part of the roll, so I end up rolling inverted but then would flip over instead of continuing the roll, I kept working on it be I was shaking like crazy so I didn't get too far with that training, but then I practiced so Tick-Tocks and its much easier to do on 22.2v then it is on 18.v, my next upgrade will be a better gyro, the telebee is holding fine but I feel I'm right at its limits now, really been putting my ES600 through its paces

Hopefully the vid comes out, I'm checking now.

You did better than me this weekend. Got brave and tried a flip, got disoriented and planted my $39.95 based EXI 450. It was flying so well to. I'm going to rebuild it using the frame from the spare Squadron I purchased. It will take some doing though. Bent frame, boom, broken Jesus bolt at the gears, probably bent mainshaft, multiple bent linkrods, very bent flybar, blades look ok though. I should have all the parts to rebuild it anyway.

It gave me a chance to change the Logitech gyro/servo over to the other 450 I was having tail trouble with. What do you know after setting up the gyro it flies great. Glad I have another 2100T/servo combo coming in the mail!

Congrats on trying some inverted stuff. I guess I need some more practice, or less panic!

Good job Marc, I hate it when I start shaking too, you have to fly it off and stop
doing tricks till its gone.....

You need to think about the frame mod I show in my thread. It really worked
great for me and might help if justin fly's yours.

I am guessing from your description that you were doing forward rolls during FF?

Well done, Marc I need bigger balls to try anything inverted my belt cp C'mon glitch again!

--==AxeL==-- wrote:

Nuttcaze wrote:

I kept working on it be I was shaking like crazy

I'm like that just hovering One day......Oh yes one day

I cannot imagine, nor wonder about the thoughts going through your mind when you first try these manoeuvres. The buzz I get just from a simple, but successful hover is amazing, let alone achieving tricks. Well done Nuttcaze and hurry up with vid

trying new moves with my E-Smart is actually kinda easy, I spend alot of time on the sim (Aerofly Pro Deluxe) practicing the moves so that I learn the stick movements needed, then its just getting up the nerve to try it in real life. My E-Smart is very predictable and stable so its easier for me to try stuff on it rather then my Belt CP V2. But when I try the new move, the hardest part is usually the timing of my stick movements, the sim has taught me all the stick movements so getting the timing right is the key to getting it right in real life (IMO) and since the E-Smart is so big you can fly higher and have more time to recover from a bad manuver. Not too bad really but still makes me pucker up a bit when its a new move.

suriano wrote:

Good job Marc, I hate it when I start shaking too, you have to fly it off and stop
doing tricks till its gone.....

You need to think about the frame mod I show in my thread. It really worked
great for me and might help if justin fly's yours.

I am guessing from your description that you were doing forward rolls during FF?

Yep the metal one will be getting that mod, this one too but it'll wait for now.

Yep, FF rolls, it seemed like it would be easier then just rolling to the side and going into an inverted hover, inverted hovers are kinda hard for me still because that is where the telebee is at its limits, but its still works for the most part, but because of that I don't like to try inverted hovers very often so I wanna work on inverted flight.

P3tras wrote:

Well done, Marc I need bigger balls to try anything inverted my belt cp C'mon glitch again!

IMO its 10x easier to flip and loop the E-Smart then it is the Belt CP, I still haven't even tried to flip my Belt CP and prob won't bother too, the E-Smart is just too nice

was out flying the ES600 today, working on my inverted hovers and rolls, starting to get the concept of the roll down better, some look great some don't. But one thing that is def getting easier is inverted hovers, for me its exactly like using the ECO 8 Brushless on Aerofly Pro Deluxe, its almost identical to how my ES600 flies in real life, kinda scary but it has been really helping now more then ever. Did my longest inverted hover today w00t w00t and got decent vid of it too, the flights from the other day I was soo far away that you couldn't tell what my heli was doing but I'm trying to keep it closer, will post vid later

that was awesome bro! Wow!! I cant believe your doing that now. I sometimes get confused with the orientation doing the inverted hover. Dude, you got some guts man! i should start doing that, i mostly do invert and tic tocs with my exi's, but i feel that the 450 helis are way more touchy. As of now, i wanted to do it with my trex600 since it has a very solid tail control, the only problem is i'm a little nervous if i crash. But you bro, you got some guts dude. Congrats! Very soon you'll be doing a lot 3d. That was really nice bro.

I don't like doing loops or anything with 450's, too unstable for me, I'm not that good yet but trying this stuff with my ES600 is way easier then with any 450 so I'm alot more relaxed which make things soo much easier.

You really should concentrate on your T-Rex only (no 450's) and you'll be doing more 3D then me and quicker but I'm trying to keep up with you now so the race is on

Just make sure you don't think about crash when you are flying big heli Nerves will do their job! It is just like when I fly in nose in. When I am flying in nose in and just don't think about it everything is very good and smooth. But when I start thinking 'WOW I am flying nose in' and after that start thinking about crash l loose concentration. So I think the same thing counts doing loops. Just don't thing about crash and you'll be ok

[quote="Nuttcaze"]
You really should concentrate on your T-Rex only (no 450's) and you'll be doing more 3D then me and quicker but I'm trying to keep up with you now so the race is on

It's on Bro!!!

P3tras wrote:

Just make sure you don't think about crash when you are flying big heli Nerves will do their job! It is just like when I fly in nose in. When I am flying in nose in and just don't think about it everything is very good and smooth. But when I start thinking 'WOW I am flying nose in' and after that start thinking about crash l loose concentration. So I think the same thing counts doing loops. Just don't thing about crash and you'll be ok

I never think about crashing, it really never enters my mind when I fly, it was a big hurdle to get over but a very liberating feeling to be able to fly without any cares in the world (with the exception of saftey)

Then you are lucky After crash I really afraid to crash again. But after some time I start to do new moves, and crash again. Then the same story begins again Now I bent tail rotor shaft, while I was carrying belt cp. It felt from my hands on the tail and the shaft bent. So from now I should be more careful while carrying the heli, than flying it
P.S. My last real crash was more than 4 months ago

When I bought my ES600 I ordered the plastic version from RC Super Sales. Two days later Kyle Allred e-mailed me saying he was all out of the plastic and he was sending me the all metal version for the same price ( $189 ) instead. Now, my point is he was a big help in selecting what was going on it . I was going to buy the newest e-sky gyro but he told me the Detrum GY48V gyro was a way better gyro than even the Telebee and for $36.99 I tryed it. Very easy to setup and works great for me.

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I don't know if you have had any experience with these gyros but it's something to think about.

I am also using the Detrum GY48V on my HK-450, with a digital servo (HiTec 5084) and it holds the tail very good

Have not tried the Telebee gyro yet, so I can't compare.

I got the gyro from the shop Top_racing2007. Bought multiple times from them now. They sell the GY48V for only 24 dollar including shipping from Hong Kong, check this

Great job Nuttcaze!!

My first flip attempt came after flying my 450.
I didn't have the ES600 setup well enough. Plus I didn't have quite enough elevation. Plus, I'm just plain not very good at 3d, yet!

Ugh.

Oh damn thats bent!

akent wrote:

Great job Nuttcaze!!

My first flip attempt came after flying my 450.
I didn't have the ES600 setup well enough. Plus I didn't have quite enough elevation. Plus, I'm just plain not very good at 3d, yet!

Ugh.

your ES600 lokks like what happened to my original Belt CP when I tried to loop that, it plowed into the ground soo hard, everything broke and I mean EVERYTHING, lol

But one thing I love about my ES600 is I can fly it very high, really helps for learning new moves

Mozzy wrote:

I am also using the Detrum GY48V on my HK-450, with a digital servo (HiTec 5084) and it holds the tail very good

Have not tried the Telebee gyro yet, so I can't compare.

I got the gyro from the shop Top_racing2007. Bought multiple times from them now. They sell the GY48V for only 24 dollar including shipping from Hong Kong, check this

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That's an awesome price for the Detrum gyro. And I thought Iwas getting a good price and I did, you just got a GREAT price.

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Thanks Mozzy I'm bookmarking that site for sure!

I'm trying to get enough energy to finish installing my Futaba GY502 on my ES600, my other GY401 should be here today or tomorrow, I can't wait because now I'll really be able to start working on new moves