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 My initial attempt at flying V2 = Not good; Have a few question s (updated with new ??'s I forgot to ask before)

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Eddie NYC




PostSubject: My initial attempt at flying V2 = Not good; Have a few question s (updated with new ??'s I forgot to ask before)   Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:00 am

Maybe I just didn't really want to believe that fp is very different than coax, well I just had my expectations significantly reset last night. I could not decide whether to try the radd hovering prgram over a couple of weeks or just try to learn to do it on my own like with the lama. So I did a little of both. I didn't put on the training gear and just trying to keep it still while getting it off the ground. I didn't really get it up more than 6 inches b/c I was scared at how it flew across the floor (even though already expected the left drift but not as much). just could't keep it still off the ground in my small 10x10 room I'm using for this.

so I have a few questions.

1) radd indicated that as I power up the tail should drift right and the whole heli should move left. did I read that right? my nose kept turning right (tail left) instead and I finally lowered the prop trim into the pack but was hard to tell if it was making a difference. Should the tail move in one direction as I spin up the motor and whenever I get it off the ground am I correct in assuming that it should go left or right? I'm just not sure if it's set up right in terms of the proportionate trim (right now its at 50% (level)).


2) the radd excercises seemed hard to really do because my Room is carpeted and the tail couldn't move freely unless in the air. my kitchen has hardwood floors bur I'm not sure I can get away with flying it there late at night each night. should I skip radd or just go ahead on the carpet? I guess I can work off of a piece of cardboard too.

3) Is there a sense of how many people attack learning to fly this by just using trial and error with the training gear vs RADD? I'm kind of torn.

4) On my transmitter, the four tabs on the bottom right that determine the mode were in different positions that didn't match either Mode1 or Mode2 per the manual. Should this matter? The heli seems to do what I expected it to do when moving the sticks in different directions.

5) In terms of power, I obviously start with the power trim tab at the bottom position. When I move it to the middle even without moving the stick, the heli starts to power up. On my Lama v, I'd start with it in the bottom position then once it was engaged, I'd move the trim to the middle. Nothing happened until I pushed up the left stick. Why is the HB powering up just by moving the trim? Is this normal and do I just always leave the this trim tab at the bottom or what?

Thanks again. I really want to get the hang of this.

Anyway, I really like the heli even though I can't fly it worth a didley. It seems so much more substantial and well build than my Lama V4. I hope I can learn to fly it.


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PostSubject: Re: My initial attempt at flying V2 = Not good; Have a few question s (updated with new ??'s I forgot to ask before)   Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:41 am

Try to find a 3 or 4 foot square scrap piece of plywood or carpet you could lay down on the floor to practice over. That will give you a smoother surface to practice over.

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PostSubject: Re: My initial attempt at flying V2 = Not good; Have a few question s (updated with new ??'s I forgot to ask before)   Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:40 pm

as ive said before, single rotor helis are way different than the coaxials. Just keep doing what you're doing, just lock the tail. if the heli turns to right, counteract this by putting your rudder to left. same goes to the cyclic, if the heli drifts to left, apply right cyclic . I hope you understand what im trying to say.
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PostSubject: Re: My initial attempt at flying V2 = Not good; Have a few question s (updated with new ??'s I forgot to ask before)   Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:54 pm

blackrain0119 wrote:
as ive said before, single rotor helis are way different than the coaxials. Just keep doing what you're doing, just lock the tail. if the heli turns to right, counteract this by putting your rudder to left. same goes to the cyclic, if the heli drifts to left, apply right cyclic . I hope you understand what im trying to say.

I absolutely do and thanks. What I'm trying to get to the bottom is whether the heli is set up right in terms of proportionate trim. I know it is suppose to drift left, but I don't know if it is normation for the tail to shift left (nose right) as the motor spins up. I honestly would have just dropped the proportionate trim dial to try to make it neutral (the nose turn) but the RADD step one implied that it is normal for the tail to shift to the right (nose to the left) as the motor spins up......which was the opposite of what was happening to me. I just don't know what is the normal tail action when as the heli starts to spin-up, but I know it should shift left.

Thanks again, I really do appreciate it!
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PostSubject: Re: My initial attempt at flying V2 = Not good; Have a few question s (updated with new ??'s I forgot to ask before)   Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:38 pm

Since you have not hovered yet than don't worry about trimming the tail yet. On the ground it will act different then in the air so no point trimming. If the tail is not spinning out of control then its setup fine and just use rudder to compensate tail drifting.

On lift off you will need to give a little right cyclic to keep it from sliding left.

Another thing once its just about to slide punch the throttle maybe 4 clicks or so. What I am saying is its hard to lift off slowly so you do need to make a quick jump of off the ground to at least 2 feet.

I recommend to find larger area to practice in. 10x10 is to small. This heli is so quick that you will b hitting the walls. Plus the down drift will be hitting the walls and affecting the heli.

Just fight it right now and with little time it will click. It will take much longer time to fly FP than coax.

edit: Put the throttle trim to the bottom. That's where you want it at all times on this heli. The rest of the trims in the middle until you learn to hover tail in. If you have the training gear put it on then go out side and start making hops. Work on keeping tail in with left stick is priority number one right now.
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PostSubject: Re: My initial attempt at flying V2 = Not good; Have a few question s (updated with new ??'s I forgot to ask before)   Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:09 pm

1 - well really when you take off, if you are slowly increasing the throttle then the tail should stay pointing at you but this will make the heli drift to the left alot more, if it is constantly going in one direction or the other try using the rudder trims tab and see if adjusting the will get the tail to stay in line better, but these aren't very precise so the tail always tends to drift a small amount.

The best thing to do is just like what flagmax said, its best to "pop" the throttle to get the heli airborne, play with the throttle and try to work on your throttle control first as that is one of the most important parts of flying single rotor helis, smoothe throttle control.

2 - Smooth surface is best, and using the training kit will really help too, if you are trying RADDS and you're finding it hard, then maybe try a simulator for a while, or find a large area, indoors preferabbly and with the training kit you'll be able to pick it up fairly quick. I had a freind, who has only flown coaxials, take my HBFP into a open confrence center at work, with the training kit he was actually able to hover, kinda, in the first battery pack, now they were short hovers and he was drifting all over but he def got the idea, and a few days later he tried again without the kit, in the same large indoor area, with smooth surface to slide around on, he was doing very good, still drifting all over the place but could hold hovers for much longer times.

3 - More people learn to fly without RADDS mainly because most people getting helis are on the comp researching, they just get it and go out and try, RADDS isn't as well known but it is a proven way of learning, Pretty much everyone that follows it through exactly as he has it set up will learn to fly, I just didn't have the patience and choose to sim and then just get out there and try it, and that is why I swear by the HBFP for a beginner heli, I spent soo much time flying it but I also crashed the living piss out of it, I destroyed it quite a few times but most of the time I didn't break anything or if I did it was usually under $5 to fix. It is the Flying Tank, especially the V2, its damn near indestructable orange71

4 - Your HBFP Tx should work in the exact same way as your Lama, the left stick should be throttle and rudder and the right stick is your cyclic (Mode 2), and then compare how the swashplate moves, when you push forward cyclic the swashplate should tilt forwards, when you push left cyclic the swashplate should tilt left and so on.

5 - Keep the throttle trim tab at the lowest position at all times, there is no need to move it from the lowest position.

One thing about the HBFP V2 over the first HBFP is that the V2 is better for large areas and outside where as the V1 is better for indoors because its much lighter, 2cents

As you've noticed, single rotor helis are way different from coax's and much harder. And you prob already know there are many ways to learn, if one isn't working for you try something different, only you will know whats best for you. The best advice I can give you is to buy alot of batteries, at least 1 extra charger, alot of spares and accept the fact that you are going to crash the hell out of that heli before you get good with it so accept it now rofl

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PostSubject: Re: My initial attempt at flying V2 = Not good; Have a few question s (updated with new ??'s I forgot to ask before)   Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:25 pm

Nuttcaze wrote:
1 - well really when you take off, if you are slowly increasing the throttle then the tail should stay pointing at you but this will make the heli drift to the left alot more, if it is constantly going in one direction or the other try using the rudder trims tab and see if adjusting the will get the tail to stay in line better, but these aren't very precise so the tail always tends to drift a small amount.

4 - Your HBFP Tx should work in the exact same way as your Lama, the left stick should be throttle and rudder and the right stick is your cyclic (Mode 2), and then compare how the swashplate moves, when you push forward cyclic the swashplate should tilt forwards, when you push left cyclic the swashplate should tilt left and so on.


Thanks. I have 2 follow-ups related to the responses above:

1) Is it more common for the tail to drift one way more than the other during spin-up (or does it not matter)? I just don't want it driving the 'wrong' way if there is a wrong way.

2) I think the controls are right (throttle up down, left/right shift and left/right spin), but does it not matter that the tabs on the transmitter don't match the manual. It's weird, I was hoping that's why I couldn't fly but I guess not!!
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