Newbie - honey bee FP help

I got the one on xheli for 70 bucks -

Ive crashed a bunch and havent broken any parts yet - hoorah!

I took off the blades and balanced them as in Nuttcazes youtube vid with the falcon 40

They were good

I checked the frame, tightened all screws.

I got the blades tracking pretty well by twisting them a little for AoA.

The problem is this - I can hover pretty good, but the heli doesnt want to get off the ground. I can get it maybe a few inches off, but only randomly will it go up to head height.

I noticed that the light on the 4 in 1 turns red when I go full throttle - if I pull it down to 3/4 or so it goes back to green...

So, Im just trying to figure out how to get it off the ground! I took the training gear off and it was slightly better, but eventually after hovering a few seconds, it just goes to the ground again...

I'm thinking its prob your motor, sometimes they last forever sometimes they last 5 flights, but before replacing it, do you have an extra battery to try, there is a chance your battery is shot.

Did you try to twist the blade to increase the pitch? In my experience, after a few flights, I need to twist the blade, otherwise it only fly about 20cm high.
Is your battery NiMH or LIPO? My NiMH battery really bad. Only good for a few minutes, maybe 5 min or less. Get a 1800mAH LIPO battery, its weight about the same with standard NiMH battery.

Thanks guys!

Unfortunately I didnt get an extra battery. Im thinking of getting another - so you say 1800 mah? So its safe to use that? I have an 800 mah lipo now - I'll check out the 1800 if thats safe.

Ive increased the AoA of the blades a little...

I'll get some spare motors, probably going to get the upgraded skids too.

The stock NiMH battery weight about 85-90gr. So if yo're going for LIPO battery, ask the seller the weight of the battery you're getting. Different brand has different weight. You also need a LIPO charger.

Mine came with a lipo . 7.4v 800 mah...

my bee fp did the same thing untill i reduced the pitch on both blades. what may be going on is the same as aircraft . more pitch = lower rpm= reduced power. it could be the battery or motor as well but this solved my same problem. if you get more rpm you can still get thrust, but give it a shot , is your batt full charged,is the motor getting weak etc etc etc

That thought crossed my mind - that it may have too much pitch and almost making a stalling effect.

I tried adding pitch and that actually seemed to help my case. It climbs but its very very slow.

I measured the battery voltage, it was right on so its fine.

I just broke some parts today in a crash so I'll be down for a little while.

I will get some upgrades and spares of parts...

Guys - it worked 100x better today for some reason

I broke that little plastic part with the two holes on each end that connects the ball ends of the rotor head - I superglued it back together then popped it back on and it works fine.

I tracked the blades and gave them as much pitch as I could. Even with the paddles flat, it took off really well. With the battery fully charged, it was ready to fly up high

50% throttle is where I begin to scoot, 60% is just taking off, 75% hovers around 6ft, and full ascends further than I am comfortable with now...

Dont really know what I changed. I have the set of skids in the pic coming, I cant stand these stock ones falling apart every 5 mins...

I would be willing to bet that you had something maladjusted that you corrected when you made your crash repairs. I don't know how many times i've thought I had a bad battery or a bad motor, and allmost every time after looking and adjusting long enough I find something was out of adjustment in the head. The HBFP is a great little heli, the best trainer there is, but it is a fickle little bird.

Donnie D

Im willing to bet that too. You know - I got the hang of tracking the blades better too.

I imagine that this little guy can really fly with the flybar weights off and no training gear on...

In fact - I got a taste of that the other day when I broke the skids. I put too much foward on the right stick and it had gone 75 ft away before I knew it and I couldnt control it!

The HBFP is a lot faster than you would think. Also if you are using training gear, be aware that it will not cause vibrations, but it will greatly magnify any vibes that you have, especially with the balls on the gear. If you have a smoothe surface to practice over, you can remove the balls from the training gear and you will have less vibes and better performance.

Also if you will sort of pulse the cyclic stick instead of, say, pushing it forward and holding it, you will have much better control with your forward flight. In other words, for forward flight, don't push and hold the cyclic forward. Sort of just bump the stick forward. Bump, bump, bump it along gently. If that makes any sense.

Donnie D

Ah bump it foward - that makes alot more sense, as sensitive as it seems to be.

Im going to start doing real slow piro's soon...

Im not 100% comfortable with movement yet, as in a real slow hover to land on a table - I feel like Im doing pretty good though, being on my 7th flight(I think)

Just take your time and don't push yourself too hard. Take baby steps.

Donnie D

another thing to practice, is taking your heli for a walk, it'll start to help you with hover control, take your heli into a hover and slowly start moving it forwards, then just walk behind the heli while you hover around, do some circles, etc. It really does help and make hovering a little less boring

There is one trick that helps HBFP a lot. It is to adjust motor timing. There are detailed instructions on the internet somewhere. But basically, you loosen the little tabs on the back of the motor and rotate the endbell of the motor by about 5mm clockwise. Gives the heli more power and efficiency.

Sergey.

That would be something good for you to demonstrate at the funfly.

Donnie D

Cool that you can do that to the HBFP!!! That is an old trick we used to do with our 1/10 scale dirt cars.. Adj. the timing.. just like in your car more advance, hi power less toqure down low.

HI Guys you guessed it ...I'm a newbe.

Well sort of...started with a E-flight mcx (which i still have) then went to a CX2 that I fried.

So I thought to my self...I said self.. this is getting too expensive...so did a little research and found the E-Sky at much more reasonable prices...That's when I bought the Honey Bee MK 3. Received it yesterday...I got it in the air a couple of times but it kept going to the left to spite having the trim all the way to the right. So having some experience with the CX2 in adjustments I brought her in and unplugged it to adjust it. When i plugged it back in she took off the table and crashed. Now when plugged in one of the servos (the left one) shoots all the way down and now I get no response from the controls of the tx. Nothing! The 4-1 lights up and does all that's it's suppose to do...you know red to solid green but no response when trying to throttle up or anything. So what do i do? OR should say buy... a new servo...4-1...tx unit. I'm beginning to think this helicopter thing is just not for me....and my wife agrees with that! LOL

Anyone please help!

Try this first:

Heli unplugged.

Tx off.

All controls on Tx to neutral except throttle. Set throttle to lowest position.

Set all trims to neutral except throttle. Set throttle trim to lowest position.

Turn on Tx. (Tx allways on first)

Plug in heli and do not touch it until green light goes solid.

Let me know what happens.


REMEMBER:

Rule is: TX on first--Tx off last. ALLWAYS

Donnie D

Yes I know that rule ever since i started with my MCX. As I said in my PM the 4-1 goes to solid green the right stick moves the swash plate from side to side but nothing in forward or reverse...the left stick does nothing at all!
I made an adjustment to the proportion the radio was never turned off...when i plugged it back in it flew off the table...that's when all this began.

Ken

This is gonna sound like a dumb question, but it's the only way to figure out the problem.

Is your battery charged?

Are all plugs in good?

Donnie D

Yeah all plugs are in tight the battery should be alright....but I'll charge all three just in case..got the E-Sky on my CX2 charger...the wall charger is missing from the box. Xheli keeps saying to look under the styrofoam there is no place under the foam for anything much less a bulky charger....but I checked anyhow. I was thinking of sending pictures. lol

Ken

OK, try the batts and if that doesn't help, try switching the servo plugs on the 4 in 1 to see what happens.

Donnie D

Well I guess this tells the story. Only one servo plug on the 4-1 is hot!

So I guess it's the 4 in 1 What do you think? I can't believe that small crash or even that it flew off the table by itself or any of this stuff that has happened.

Ken

Well, don't jump to any conclusions yet. Let's see if we can get a few more opinions.

OK Nutzoids, some of you other guys please read thru this post and chime in with your thoughts. We need some other opinions.

we've got a lot of other Nutzoids that have more knowledge than I do, so let's give it awhile and see what they have to say. We'll figure it out so you'll know what to do.

Donnie D

Thanks a bunch!

One other thing..I was using a Mystery *900 15c* battery...could that be Too much for the 4-1 to handle?

As long as it is a 7.4v (2 cell batt) you are ok.

Donnie D