Esmart build (Working It Out) Pictures and video

Here you go Nutts, Sur just gave the perfect dec. for the cyclic pitch we talked about before!!!!

hmm, still not sure I completely follow but it def make more sense, Thats going to be one of those things I have to get someone to show me in person, I'm a "hands on" kinda guy.

Me Too!! I think the servos are not set at mid collective with the TX on stunt.
Just my 2 cents...

Thats what I've been trying to say!! I agree with you here!!!

all that stuff makes my head hurt, lol

I just like to fly

Ok guy's, here it is...at midstick in idle with the servos and bellcranks straight as an arrow i get +4. at low stick -6 and at high stick +14. That is after shortening the cyclic servos links to 65mm. I don't know what the pitch link is, I just leveled the swash. I'm thinking I have to shorten the long links from the mixing arms to even out the pitch to get an even # on both + and -. I have no clue why mine is different from everyone else's. Does anyone have any other thoughts?
Frank

can you watch youtube videos? if so I'll make a quick vid of some things to check and show you what mine looks like

Great idea, please do it

OK this is what you need to do!! Start by lowering the swash plate till you get 0' at mid stick..Where you now have +4 at mid stick you need to have 0!!! Then you are gonna be pretty close all around!! But do that first and report back with what you got at full and zero stick!! Stay in Idle up!!
OH lower the swash by shorting the links from the bell cranks!!!!

AND keep the swash level!!! Trust me this is gonna fix you up....

Fatdaddy wrote:

OK this is what you need to do!! Start by lowering the swash plate till you get 0' at mid stick..Where you now have +4 at mid stick you need to have 0!!! Then you are gonna be pretty close all around!! But do that first and report back with what you got at full and zero stick!! Stay in Idle up!!
OH lower the swash by shorting the links from the bell cranks!!!!

FD has it. That sounds like the prob. to me.......

maybe this will help

I FIXED THE VIBRATION IN MY ES600!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have had a fairly bad vibration in the skids and also in the tail since I built this heli. It is the all metal 002K model.

I then took everything apart again and meticulously measured and balanced everything. I then got some K&B paddles and tail blades. All made zero difference.

I then took my second kit and built up the head. Installed that and it was a little worse!

I was thinking today and just looking at the heli, and Humm, what's this? I noticed that there was just a slight amount of one of the dampers sticking out a tiny bit more than the other side. I then removed the blades and turned the feathering shaft. Dam that's tight. So I removed it. It was really hard to remove as there was ZERO GREASE ON THE DAMPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was certainly tight enough that it could not have self centered when flying!
So I greased up the dampers and the feathering shaft just slid right in. Everything tightened down and it turned with almost no effort on the wrench.

Buttoned her up and hovered it.

ZERO VIBRATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had started to think that i had bad heads like Suronio had, as there is a slight amount of runout on both heads, but it turns out it's not enough to affect anything.

Wow!

So, even if this doesn't fix your vibrations, your dampers will thank you for it. These should be greased up. I use a light coat of petroleum jelly on mine. Some use other types of grease, but I've had good luck with this on all my helis.

Best,
Kent

Hey thats sweet Akent! I use petrolium jelly also. Only it didnt solve my problems
like yours. It is good advice to give about the dampers.......

Marc, Great job with the video....

akent wrote:

I FIXED THE VIBRATION IN MY ES600!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I had started to think that i had bad heads like Suronio had, as there is a slight amount of runout on both heads, but it turns out it's not enough to affect anything.



Best,
Kent

Akent, could you tell me the runnout you were having? Mine was somewhere in the .030" .

Show us some pics and vids. I bet the guys would like to see your Esmart...

I don't have a dial indicator, but I think it's less than 0.030". But it might be close to that. I found that by turning the head and tightening up the two side screws in different ways that it can reduce that.
At least on both my heads the center hole appears to be straight, just a little too big. But the clamping areas clamp hard once it's done.

Here's the 3rd battery when I was still setting the tracking and then talking a bit about the vibration:

This is BEFORE it was fixed. I will try to do a new video soon.

Yeah, that heli looked like it had to many Redbull's also......

Guys;
Nutt, thanks for the video. I noticed that your cyclic links are much longer than mine. I had to shorten them to 65mm to get the swash down but something is still very wrong somewhere. I was gonna shorten the long links from the mixing arms but decided against it for the moment. I'm gonna take the links back to 80mm and start from scratch again. Suriano suggested I bring down the swash but I can't get it any lower, the links are as short as I can make them. I probably won't be able to get to it again till tomorrow, having people over.
I must say in all honesty that the guys here are just the best, much appreciated and this will be worked out. Talk tomorrow
Frank

In case anyone is interested, here is my build list:

1. Stock motor and stock 12t pinion
2. Hobbywing Pentium 100a ESC
3. Turnigy 5a UBEC
4. 2S 1500ma Lipo for the BEC
5. JR DS821 cyclic servos
6. Align GP750 gyro
7. Align DS620 tail servo
8. AR6200 receiver

Mods and extras:
1. 2nd base plate replaces the front tray
2. Trex 600 skids
3. K&B tail blades
4. K&B .30-.50 size paddles (The inside holes on these are RADICAL!!! If you do 3d, look into these!!)
5. E-Smart fiberglass canopy
6. Cheap 550mm CF blades from Helidirect that say '3D' on them. These are reasonable quality. I refuse to fly with wood.

Well, I got in a little over my head with some mild 3d tonight. It wasn't setup perfectly, yet.
I think it might be pretty much totalled. I haven't looked in detail yet.

HOLY SH!T!!!!!! Man I am sorry....Just when it started fly'n good too......

By any chance did you get it on video?

Aw man, I'm sorry to see that. Hope it's not too bad.

Donnie D

It's not nearly as bad as I expected!

The problem is that the aluminum frame is mangled. I thought that might happen, so I ordered some carbon upper frame parts earlier. I'll rebuild with these. $20 something for those! Amazing.
I need to find some lower carbon frame parts.

Yes, I could try to straighten these frame parts, but they would not likely be very straight.

The rest of the crash parts are fairly normal for a heavy crash. All servo gears, all shafts (other than the front belt shaft, I think), main gear, tail gear, tail main housing, everything boom related, all blades, and more, surely.

But quite a few of these parts are not available right now. I do have another kit, though.

My last ever crash probably happened tonight. The next one will put my ES600 in the garbage can for lack of parts.
I am off to try to find parts to cover this crash. I know of at least one part that is just plain not available any more that I actually have coming from before this. That being the L shaped tail control rod. I bought the last two on the face of the planet, apparently. I have destroyed two already, so they will be welcomed when they show up.

I understand kits and parts might start to show up in November.

Hey, the Trex 600 skid parts are OK. Imagine that. But this thing went in nose/head first. Ugh.
Kent

WOW Bud, I know exactly what your feeling and thinkin.. I've done my "E" twice! Both times were pretty hard.. You will like the CF frames.. The entire main frame survived both crashed with no damage!!! Sorry for your "E" Good Luck with the Rebuild!!

AKENT;
Sorry to see what happened, that sucks especially after you got the vibes sorted out.
I think you can the part you're looking for at ka-planes.com. Good people to deal with.
Frank

I think Akent is the only member to join and then crash his heli in the first 24 hrs.
..................And admit to it anyway..............

Sorry bro, I joke to lighten up a bad situation.........

I hope parts are back before I have a mishap.

akent wrote:

I actually enjoy all of it, especially the rebuild part.

But I am NOT used to having no parts available.

All of my other helis are at least clones, with parts available at every corner.

Esky needs to smell the roses, or sell me all of the equipment that it takes to build these things.
Kent

................AMEN to that!.............. Its all good, you learn a valuble lesson every time
you have a mishap. The parts issue has been a thorn in our sides for sure. Some times
I feel like I am fly'n a dissposable lighter and hoping it doesnt run out of fluid...

Let me know how the flybar works, I need to get a few myself